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    Postby DoomJedi 21 Jul 2012, 12:03

    Seemingly two different sides of the coin being the same side.

    Bane is a bit of a dark mirror version of Batman.

    Nolan himself gives in a movie a clear clue to that - when Bruce Wayne has rumors about him of being disfigured and needed a mask to breathe....
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    Postby DoomJedi 21 Jul 2012, 12:23

    CatWoman STEALS the show :) LOL
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    Postby DoomJedi 21 Jul 2012, 14:26

    ...and Gotham yet again lives on a lie of somebody dying for it....

    It's interesting how Bruce stars the movie in Exile within Gotham, merging the unmergable....for both for Batman and Him...merging their destiny together, no more "funny partyboy"....merging into one BruceMan.
    Alfred says "You see only one way to your Journey"....donnow if he means death, pain, exile....but it sure common path for Batman and Bruce.

    Bane notices this in Bruce too, like Alfred predicted/warned - Bruce subconsiously wants to end his Journey, to die/to lose....to end both Batman and Him.....and doesn't let him....it this he does his only good deed to Bruce.

    And only in the end of the movie Bruce manages to split the destiny of Batman from destiny of Bruce...giving each one of them proper happy-end.
    Merging Death and Exile....and the best kind of death and best kind of Exile...
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    Postby DoomJedi 21 Jul 2012, 14:50

    [youtu_be]http://youtu.be/1T__uN5xmC0[/youtu_be]
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    Postby Ron 21 Jul 2012, 15:47

    ...and Gotham yet again lives on a lie of somebody dying for it....


    Unless Blake continues as Batman, you could argue that Batman didn't really die then. I also like the fact that he stands on a platform that goes up, 'The Dark Knight RISES'. Lots of 'rises' imagery in the movie anyway.
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    Postby DoomJedi 22 Jul 2012, 09:01

    1. Isn't it too weird Batman and Bruce Wayne died at the same day?

    2. How can anyone be Batman if everyone saw "real" Batman die?

    3. Isn't the "too lame even for Robin" scene of "Oh, boy, I'm a big boy now, Gordon told me there are no coincidence, so I'll say it to thugs and then act like there can be no coincidece" - feels more like a scene from "Batman and Robin"?
    There are a few "sooo lame" scenes in the movie that I want to cry.
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    Postby Lozer_42 22 Jul 2012, 20:29

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULj7nG2zphs[/youtube]
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    Postby Ron 22 Jul 2012, 22:13

    1. Isn't it too weird Batman and Bruce Wayne died at the same day?


    They didn't, Bruce 'died' somewhere during the Bane attacks, not the last day per se.

    2. How can anyone be Batman if everyone saw "real" Batman die?


    Because Batman is a symbol, not a person. I would argue Blake is a back-up in case Gotham would ever need a Batman in an extreme situation. But the war has shown that Batman has finally inspired Gothamites to stand up for their city.

    3. Isn't the "too lame even for Robin" scene of "Oh, boy, I'm a big boy now, Gordon told me there are no coincidence, so I'll say it to thugs and then act like there can be no coincidece" - feels more like a scene from "Batman and Robin"?
    There are a few "sooo lame" scenes in the movie that I want to cry.


    I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
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    Postby DoomJedi 22 Jul 2012, 22:24

    ronwolf1705 wrote:I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

    Those scenes I'd delete :)
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    Postby Ron 23 Jul 2012, 02:32

    Yeah, but what scenes do you mean? The one where Blake's real surname is revealed to be Robin? Because that is way too Marvel-like for me as well.
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    Postby DoomJedi 23 Jul 2012, 08:40

    Well, as I said "Gordon told me there are no coincidences (so I'll be a good boy now and listen to his wise advices)" scene, especially talking out loud to thugs and not to himself. To "lame-Robin like". Thinking out loud...cartoon-like.

    There are some others...

    Indeed I'd agree I'd end the movie with Alfred look, though I understand that Nolan wanted to let us know Bruce is with Celina Kyle, and not only with just someone. I felt the ending is a bit too obvious.
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    Postby DoomJedi 23 Jul 2012, 13:39

    Yep. 3 references to 3 supervillains. The first was 'flip a coin' (Two Face), 2nd was 'alligators' (Killer Croc) and 3rd was 'cryo sleep' (Mr. Freeze).
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    Postby Ron 23 Jul 2012, 15:20

    I felt the ending is a bit too obvious.


    This film needed it imo. I would have hated an Inception-like ending.
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    Postby DoomJedi 23 Jul 2012, 16:42

    I just looooove Inception....I think Batman Legacy should be more mystical at the end of the movie...open to interpretations...I like such movies.

    And I still don't know how Batman survived....ok, so he fixed autopilot...But he was shown inside a Bat too close to explosion....so it means that he was flying other Bat, with Celina, to go abroad? And the "kamikaze" Bat was flying on autopilot? Those were two different Bats?
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    Postby Ron 23 Jul 2012, 16:58

    I love Inception as well, but it's very different from TDKR. And besides, before you know it Nolan becomes the M. Night Shyamalan of open endings. It worked great for Inception, but wouldn't work at all for TDKR. Bruce has a definitive ending now.
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